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PRE 1900 SECTION

Overcoming Obstacles

About Early Electric Lighting, Generators, Arc Lamps, The First Edison Socket, Menlo Park, etc.
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POST 1900 SECTION

About 1900 Styles
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Electrical Specialty Manufacturers
Harvey Hubbell
This section covers some early history periods of pre Hubbell-Grier, Hubbell-Grier, Harvey Hubbell, Hubbell Company. It also covers a number of items that helped change lighting styles,

Benjamin
This section covers some early history periods for the Benjamin Electric MFG. Co, as well as a small section on Dale and The Federal Electric Company

Dale
Federal Electric

This post 1900 section continues to be under current construction

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G.E. Co. Fatboy Sockets
The History Of G.E. Co. Fatboy Sockets, Dating Them
And How To Tell one From The Other


There are some interesting facts concerning G.E.Co. sockets, as well as some misconceptions that should be cleared up. Firstly, the misconception that all G.E.Co. sockets should have mica under the center contact. I have seen more then once where a well meaning lamp restoration job added mica to the socket, when it in fact was a version of the socket that would not had come with mica. Also, I have seen where people that are buying or inspecting a lamp, often times look into the socket to see if it has the mica insulator. If it does, it is deemed as an early lamp socket and all looks fine. However if it is missing mica, then the lamp is either seen as something less desirable, or viewed as something that is not 'correct'.

The first GECO Fatboy socket was introduced in 1895 and DID NOT contain mica.

The truth is, that mica was not used on G.E. 'Fat Boy' sockets until the early 1900's. Starting in about 1910 mica slowly began to be removed from sockets by manufacturers including General Electric. By 1913 most G.E. sockets no longer contained mica. (however, 'old stock' mica sockets were still sold for several years after by electrical supply houses).

There were many changes in the GECO socket through the years, but the most important years for telling the difference in early G.E.Co. sockets, were those that were offered in the years 1895, 1897, 1902 and 1909.

The 1902 socket is the most common "mica socket" seen today. Starting in about 1909, the ultimate fatboy came out and measured 67mm. There were many different versions of the ultimate fatboy which I will cover in brief at the bottom of this page, but the main difference was that mica was no longer used (by 1913/1914) and a quick catch was used on the cap and shell along side the screws (other versions with quick catches only (no screws) also came out covered at the end of this page).

There are some common terms among collectors, when dealing with older G.E.Co sockets that you should be aware of.

For example, the terms "sausage-shaped logo", "sharp-sausage", "squared-sausage" and large and small fonts (when speaking of the lettering on the turn keys).


The "Sausage" was used on First Generation and Second Generation (version A) GECO sockets. The new "Sharp Sausage" began to be seen on the Second Generation Version B and Third Generation standard mica sockets. The "Square Sausage" is found on Fourth Generation (version A) ultimate fatboy sockets. However always keep in mind that there were transition periods where a year or two before or after a major change took place, may have used old or new styles on some sockets. Always take the entire socket into account when dating it. Compare each section on this page to your socket along with the dating provided to see where your socket falls into the dating line. By the time that the G.E. "1913-1914" catalog was released, most all sockets (fourth generation version b) had changed from the sausage keys to the new GE logo key shown below on your right.


The above is all dealing with the turn key sockets in which most earlier paddles used a sausage-shaped indent with the "GECo" trademark embossed inside the sausage in either a large or small font size (larger font most common). There is one exception to the rule which was the GECO long key sockets. These long keys used the trademark word "EDISON PATENTS" embossed on the key. This key however was changed in 1913/1914 with the other G.E. sockets to a GE circular logo (as shown on your right).

You will also notice that some GECo sockets have letters or numbers (sometimes a combination of both a letter and number) embedded into the porcelain tops of the sockets. There is no significance to these (that we can make heads or tails out of for dating). While with some manufacturers, this is possible. However, these GECo sockets do not make any sense. Collectors have grouped together disclosing their letters, marks, and differences in sockets going down a check list. It seems that G.E. simply went A-Z, 1-9, A1, A2, etc... until the next major socket generation, and then started all over again with A-Z. This makes these 'G.E. Codes' of no real use to a collector. Unless you want to collect hundreds of different sockets just to have one of each letter, there is no real reason for them(.)

The term "Ultra Short" is speaking of a version of the early 1895 GE.Co. socket that was slightly shorter then the Dec. 1897 version which today is simply termed as a "Short GECO". The shells on most of these ultra shorts are also marked Edison Patents, however there are some early unmarked shells (mostly keyless or marine sockets). Also, these two sockets (1895 and 1897) are shorter then the standard fat boy GECO sockets from the 1900's to the 1920's.

Over the years, the fatboy grew in length. Each increase was fairly small, so it is most convenient measure in millimeters. When measurements we measure including the insulator or Edison threads that may be sticking out of the bottom of the socket. This can cause slight variances for example our measurements on different ultra short sockets (using a digital caliper) might be 56.05, 56.48, 55.57, 56.65, 55.41, 55.61, 55.90, 55.77, etc.. So, it would be safe to say that GECo's measuring under 57mm would be an ultra short socket, however we will use the average and call it 56mm.

Note that these sockets are always shown in G.E. catalogs as Cat. No. 9386 (for the turn key sockets)

FIRST GENERATION [A]
(Ultra Short with narrow contact stem) 1895 To About 1897 - 56mm
Round center contacts, no mica, round cap screw holes in porcelain and regular sausage keys
Sockets described as above measuring under 57mm would be an ultra short socket

FIRST GENERATION [B] (Ultra Short with wide contact stem) 1896 OR Jan. 1897 To Late 1897 - 56mm
Everything as shown above only the center contact stem is much more narrow.
It is unknown at which time this change was made, but the wider contact was the later change since the narrow contact was shown in 1895. The problem is that the Jan. 1897 G.E. bulletin used the same illustration for the socket insides as the 1895 ad (G.E. did not go to the expense of making a new drawing). However, by the time that the Dec. 1897 catalog was released, the socket was now shown as a "Second Generation" socket. So, even though we do not know exactly when the wide contact came out, it is newer then the 1895 narrow version. It is likely that this wide contact (since it no longer existed by Dec. 1897) can be called an 1897 version, while those with narrow stems can be called a pre 1897 socket, or simply a version A if you are a purest when it comes to dating.
Sockets described as above measuring under 57mm would be an ultra short socket as in version [A].

SECOND GENERATION [A] (Regular Short) 1897 To About 1901 - 60mm
Square center contact, no mica, rectangle cap screw holes in porcelain, small cap and regular sausage key (some early sockets have round holes in the porcelain). Keeping in mind that this was the first socket to offer the option of a full sleeved insulator, sockets that still used the small half inch insulator will measure almost 2mm smaller then those using the larger full sleeve insulator.
Sockets described as above measuring over 57.5mm but under 61mm would be the regular Short Geco.

SECOND GENERATION [B] (Regular Short with large cap) About 1901 To About 1904 - 62mm
Short as above but with larger cap, sharp sausage key, mica insulator and a new rectangle center contact with a dot indent on it. (some early versions do not have mica but the key has already changed to the sharp sausage)
Sockets described as above measuring over 62mm but under 63mm are second generation [B] sockets.

THIRD GENERATION [A] (Standard Geco Mica Socket) 1904 To About 1907 - 62mm
These sockets are all insulated under the center contact with mica, the center contact is the rectangle with a dot indent on it, the key uses the sharp sausage, the large cap which is now always fiber insulated. This is the version being sold in the 1904 G.E. catalog.
Sockets described as above measuring over 61mm but under 62mm are third generation version A sockets.

THIRD GENERATION [B] (Standard Geco Mica Socket) 1907 To About 1909 - 63mm
These socket shells have a different taper from those above causing more space between the taper and the shade holder rib. Also in virtually all shells there is about a .5mm more space between the rib and the end of the shell tube where the shade holder would fit. This is the version being sold in the 1907 G.E catalog. Also note that a new socket (catalog no. 1317) shows up in this 1907 catalog (next to our socket), only with three bayonet joints. The 1909 G.E. catalog no longer shows no. 1317, but instead now shows our 9386 socket as the three bayonet version.
Sockets described as above measuring over 63mm but under 64mm are third generation version B sockets.

FOURTH GENERATION [A] (Ultimate Fatboy) - 1909 To About 1913 - 67mm
As stated above, our 9386 type socket now changes and uses three bayonet joints on the shell. This is shown in the 1909 catalog along with the catch that is now clearly shown on the shell cap. While another picture in the catalog only shows two bayonet joints, every socket that I have seen so far with the catch on the cap, has three bayonet joints on the shell. It is clear from the new type (cat. no.1317) shown in the 1907 catalog, that this new 9386 has now taken it's place. The key has also not changed to the squared sausage.
Sockets described as above measuring over 66mm but under 67mm are fourth generation version A sockets.

FOURTH GENERATION [B] (Ultimate Fatboy With Catches) - 1913 And On... - 68mm
As seen now in the 1913/14 G.E. catalog, the turn key has now changed to the G.E. logo, the socket has become longer and mica is no longer used as an insulator. Shortly after this catalog, all of the sockets also loose the rib for the shade holder and start using UNO threads. This is documented in a 1917 central electric company catalog, but trusted to have taken place well over a year earlier.
Sockets described as above measuring over 67mm but under 69mm are fourth generation version B sockets.

THE FIRST GENERATION G.E.Co Fat Boy Socket - 1895 To 1897 - The Ultra-Short


The oldest of the four major types of GECo's is the 1895 socket which was first announced in the Electrical World magazine February 23rd 1895 as shown above.

The socket key was shown with a sausage shaped indent using (what looks like to me), the small sharp font with the G.E.Co. Trademark embossed inside. Most of the early GECo sockets used the less sharp font.

A close look at the introduction (enlarged on your right) will also show that the center contact used a more narrow stem which later became thicker (talked about below in the version "B" section).



The First Generation Version A GECO socket did not use mica under the center contact, and it had a round tongue.





The First Generation Version A GECO socket had round holes in the porcelain for the cap screws.





The First Generation Version A GECO socket did not use a bayonet shell attachment method





The First Generation Version A GECO socket did not use an insulator in the cap



The First Generation Version A GECO socket only had a small round insulator that fit into the RIB at the bottom of the socket tube. The color can be different (example brown or black) has nothing to do with dating.
(Note that in 1897 this socket was sold with an "optional" full socket liner)



DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GECO FIRST GENERATION VERSIONS (A & B)

The first Geco fatboy socket was released in 1895 as was seen in the Electrical World magazine of Feb. 23rd 1895. This announcement showed a picture of the socket as well as the insides. It without a doubt shows a narrow center contact stem.

On January 11,1897 G.E. released a new bulletin. While the picture on the first page only shows the same exact illustration as was seen in 1895 (no help here), the second page does show the entire new socket line up for the start of the year. In this line up, new pictures are shown of the First Generation G.E. socket. While there are no pictures of the inside of the socket, at least it does show us that in Jan. 1897, G.E was still offering the "First Generation" socket.

This is important because by December 6th, 1897 a new catalog which contained their new items was released, and it now offered the Second Generation Geco socket. Other new items included Bryant and Hubbell sockets among others. The Second Generation GECo socket was now offered with a full fibre lining for five cents more, but since it was not yet required by the National Electrical Code (NEC), it was only an option that you could add on to the socket.

Most of the first generation version A sockets found today, simply have the fibre ring insulator (shown two pictures above). However, since this documented change did take place in Jan. of 1897, the First Generation GECo sockets can be found with the full fibre lining. Take note that the first lining (as shown on your right) did not cover the bayonet holes. The first version of the insulator was shorter then the later common insulator that lined the shell all the way up to the bayonet joints and screw holes. The G.E. Bulletin called the fibre lining "A recent Improvement" It also stated, "This improvement receives the fullest approval of fire underwriters (NEC) and is strongly recommended by the General Electric Company". The next NEC was not due to come out until 1899, at which time it then included the full liner as a requirement for all sockets.

At some point between 1895 and Dec. 1897, G.E. changed the thickness of the center contact. It is likely (but not proven) that this change also took place with the new changes and items in Jan. of 1897. The narrow stem is termed as the first generation version A "ultra short" and the thicker stem the first generation version B "ultra short".



To sum things up, this first generation ultra short socket is a G.E.CO. socket from 1895 until about December of 1897 that is 56mm in length. It does not use mica, has round holes in the porcelain for the cap screws, has a round center contact and uses slits (not a bayonet) for the shell cap attachment method.

The thick contact stem is a newer socket made sometime before December of 1897 and is called the first generation version B "ultra short" socket.

(more facts and patent information about the first 1895 socket here)

THE SECOND GENERATION GECo Socket - 1897 To About 1904 - The Short GECo


This is a fun socket to research...

Even though G.E. already had the full lining as an option to the first generation socket early in Jan. 1897, the shell design changed (likely to better accommodate the lining) by Dec. of 1897.

This shell design was shown
by a new illustration in the Dec. 1897 G.E. catalog and became the Second Generation G.E. socket. After the electrical code changed in 1899, the lining became a requirement for all sockets, and the ad shown above was placed in the July 29, 1899 Electrical World magazine which provides us with a nicely dated illustration of both the socket and liner. This is the first known illustration that shows the early liner, which is important for dating because the ad shows a shorter liner then what was used in later G.E. sockets. It is not yet known exactly when the liner changed. By using examples of found sockets, it was likely between 1900 and 1902 that G.E. started using the new liner which covered the entire shell up to the bayonet joints.

It is an easy thing to identify the Second Generation version A socket, because both the socket shell and center contact changed.

It can become a little confusing as you get closer to 1903, as the shell caps, center contacts and the turn key sausage shape began to change. Also the appearance of the mica insulator, as well as cap insulators thrown into this mix.

Though from 1897 until 1899 mica was not used under the center contact. It is clear from examples that mica started being used on these sockets prior to 1903. Second Generation version A sockets can be found with smaller socket caps which means that mica started being used before the cap insulator.

From my test bed of GECo sockets, it is easy to see the progression.
ALL of my Second Generation socket shells with the small caps, have no cap insulators.
ALL of my Second Generation socket shells with large caps have the cap insulator.
One Second Generation socket shell was found using a small cap, no insulator but with mica.
Three Second Generation socket shells with large caps have mica and the cap insulator as well as the Second Generation B center contact and the new sharp sausage key.

So, you can see from this that there are a few different transition periods taking place all in the same shell. Some before 1903, some at 1903 and others after 1903.

Please take the above information into thought as you learn about the Second Generation socket below.

The Second Generation socket shell has a sharper edge or shoulder then the First Generation version





The Second Generation socket shell now also uses a bayonet to hold the cap in place. The bayonet was also recommended by the National Electrical Code in 1899 as shown below.


It should also be noted that since we do have early Second Generation sockets with round holes in the porcelain, but do not have a socket that used the first short insulated sleeve, that there also may be early First Generation sockets that do not use bayonets.





The Second Generation socket still does not use mica and the center contact changes to a smooth square tongue as shown on the left and to your right.

NOTE that this Second Generation socket was during a transition period in which on early sockets, the square contact was used together with round holes in the porcelain (not the rectangle as shown below).

This tells us that the contact was the first to change in our dating timeline.



The Second Generation socket started using a rectangle hole in the porcelain for the cap screws.

NOTE that this Second Generation socket was during a transition period and that these type sockets can be found with round holes in the porcelain as explained above.

EARLY Second Generation sockets still use round holes







The Second Generation Socket comes with a fully insulated one piece liner.

As explained above, real early versions of this liner did not cover the holes in the porcelain.












The Second Generation turn key still uses the old style sausage key with the GECo trademark.






DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GECO SECOND GENERATION VERSIONS (A & B)

Some of the dating can get a bit confusing between the Second Generation and Third Generation sockets as well as the sizes. This is mainly because of the cap size. On Second Generation B Geco sockets, the cap size changes which adds some size to the overall socket and comes really close to the Third Generation socket size, but the Third Generation socket has its own shell and traits.

A Second Generation B uses the large cap

Out of my entire test bed, I do not have one socket with the new rounded shell design (Third Generation Geco), that comes with the smaller cap. On the other hand, I do have several GECo sockets that use the Second Generation sharp shell with the new larger cap design. It evident that the new cap preceded the Third Generation Geco socket (also the Third Generation socket is only ever pictured using the large cap).

The First Generation shells did not come with lined caps. In 1897 G.E. introduced the shell lining, but it was only an option that cost five cents more. Customers that wanted to spend more money to be safe, selected the option. In 1899 the new National Electrical Code made the lining of the socket shell a requirement, BUT NOT FOR THE CAP. The only mention of the cap was that there were to be no sharp edges, it was interrupted that the insulation on the wire itself would provide the insulation needed with the tying of the wiremans knot above the bare wire connections which were insulated with the new lining.

This section changed in the July, 1904 National Electrical Code as shown below



The exact date that G.E. offered the new cap design is not known, there is no evidence at this time other then the electrical code of 1904 and the 1904 G.E. catalog as to actual cap dating. G.E. offered an insulated lining in 1897 even though it did not actually become a rule until the next NEC came out in 1899. So it is feasible that G.E. could had offered the lined cap a year or even two before it became an actual code rule. If it was an early cap design, I would figure it to be sometime by late 1902. Also on another note G.E. released their 1904 catalog which normally went along with new or pending changes to the NEC.


Keeping in mind that this was not like the code change from 1897 to 1899, where only the lining was changed. This was an undertaking of a total new design of the socket shell and cap.




It is evident that the cap needed to be redesigned to fit both the new liner and the wireman's knot as explained below.

"There must be SUFFICIENT ROOM in the cap to enable the ordinary wireman to EASILY AND QUICKLY make a knot in the cord and push it into place in the cap WITHOUT CROWDING".

Now with the added rigid hard fibre cap liner, the small cap would not had provided the room needed to meet the spirit of the new code.

Seen below is the new cap compared to the older cap.



It is not hard to notice the change in these cap sizes. The new cap is more of a bulbous shape which is much higher then the older cap design. There is no doubt as to the timing and reason for this change. It was most definitely the new code change that created this need, as explained above.



The actual measurements in millimeters of two random sockets were 25.21mm on the old cap and 27.43 on the new.

Keeping in mind that at this time, the first documented arrival of the Third Generation socket was in the April, 1904 G.E. catalog. Someone could assume that old Second Generation shells would had been left over that now needed the cap lined to conform with the new Electrical Code. To properly line the old shell, the new cap would had been added to the older shell. But, taking other transitions of the Second Generation B socket into consideration, there would be other more obvious items that would not fit into the dating timetable to still make sense.

Most Second Generation B sockets use mica


Most Second Generation B sockets use mica under the center contact as an insulator. If there is no mica, the center contact likely is also missing the center contact indent, which was also a transition that took place with the B version first before appearing in the Third Generation socket.



Second Generation B sockets use the sharp sausage keys

Second Generation B sockets use the sharp sausage keys.
The sharp sausage was a change shown in the 1904 G.E. catalog.

This change is also another transition that took place first on this socket and then appeared in the Third Generation socket.

So, if we take the following into account; First the use of mica which started being used by most other manufacturers on sockets starting about 1901; Then the migration of the center contact and sharp sausage key; And now that fact that the Third Generation socket is shown complete in the 1904 G.E. Catalog, we have no choice but to date this B version as starting after 1901 (versions without mica dating to 1900) and sometime before 1904.

THE THIRD GENERATION G.E.Co Fat Boy Socket - 1903 To 1907 - The Mica GECo Socket

This Third Generation socket is the most common of the GECo sockets.

Though the Second Generation shell shown above can be found with mica and the larger cap, The Third Generation sockets shown below were the new shell design and what is commonly known as the GECo mica socket.











The Third Generation socket uses the same rectangle hole in the porcelain for the cap screws as the Second Generation socket









This Third Generation Geco comes with a fully insulated one piece liner and cap insulator














The Third Generation socket shell always uses a bayonet to hold the cap

The 1903 socket always uses mica under the center contact. The center contact always uses a tongue with a indented circle to make better bulb contact. This raised circular indent can easily be felt with your finger if the contact is too dirty to see it.



The third Generation turn key changes the sausage indent to a new squared design as shown in the center picture below. To avoid confusion, I have also added a third picture of the 1909 change (third picture below) in which the sausage indent is completely lost in the newer squared design.


Take note that the square sausage does turn up for the first time (but on only one socket picture) in the 1907 G.E. catalog. However out of all of my examples, none of my Third Generation sockets use the squared design. It is evident that this was a transition period (1907 to 1909) for the squared design, but my only socket examples using the squared design are Fourth Generation Sockets.


DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE GECO THIRD GENERATION VERSIONS (A & B)

The Third Generation B socket shell has a different taper from the A version that was shown above. This taper causes more space between the taper and the shade holder RIB.

Also on most shells there is about .5mm more space between the rib and the end of the shell tube, where the shade holder would fit.

This B version was the one being sold in the 1907 G.E catalog.
Also note that a new socket (catalog no. 1317) shows up in the 1907 catalog (next to our socket), only with three bayonet joints.

The 1909 G.E. catalog no longer shows no. 1317, but instead now shows our 9386 socket as the three bayonet version which then becomes the Fourth Generation socket.






The only real difference between the Third Generation version A & B are the sizes.
I have given some sample sizes below to give you a good idea of what to look for seeing that measurements can be slightly different depending on insulators.

Measurements of some random Third Generation A 62mm sockets:
61.56, 61.28, 61.51, 61.83, 61.98
Measurements of some random Third Generation B 63mm sockets:
63.37, 64.0, 63.21, 63.06

So you can see that it would be safe to say that a Third Generation Version A socket would be over 61mm but under 62mm. The Third Generation Version B socket would be 63mm to 64mm

THE FOURTH GENERATION G.E.Co Fat Boy - 1909 To About 1912 - The Last Mica GECo Socket

This is the last socket change before loosing the mica insulator, and should be termed as the ultimate GECo.
The ultimate GECO stage is where it reaches its maximum size. It is also the last GECo significant to most collectors.

Mica started being removed from sockets somewhere between 1910 to 1912. It was also not long after this that UNO threads started being added to sockets of all makers. Collecting interest and socket history becomes much less desirable during this time as many more were manufactured and the sockets become much more common.

THIS NEW DESIGN PRIOR TO 1909

While we date these new sockets to 1909, it should be noted that prior to 1909 and the change in size to the new shell of 67mm, this design was used on the 62mm shells. This was likely done between 1907 and 1909, but there is no precise evidence of this dating period as fact.
(now proved see the update below)

However, these 62mm sockets with the new design are also found with the sharp-sausage turn key design (1903-1909). We can only say for sure that the change took place sometime before 1909 because at that time the G.E. catalog was using the new shells with the new turn key design where the sausage is completely lost to the new squared designs.

UPDATE: A GREAT Thank You! - goes to A. Allerhand for providing the 1904 and 1907 G.E. catalogs.

As shown below in the 1907 G.E catalog, there is a new arrival (catalog no. 1317) that was not in the 1904 catalog.
Catalog number 1317 is our socket mystery shown above. A 62mm shell, with the catch and extra bayonet joint!

The funny thing and new revelation is that later in the 1909 G.E. catalog, the "1317" socket now becomes our "9386" socket and there is no more mention ever of a catalog number 1317 ever existing.

For those not paying too much attention, it is the G.E. catalog number 9386 that we have been following all of this time through all of it's different generations and versions.





These new sockets are easy to spot simply be the new caps.




So to summarize this section, the Fourth Generation A socket is one that is from 66mm to 67mm in size, which uses the side cap catch. This catch can be seen by a little dent on the outside of the cap. Under the cap is a small square hole for the catch to snap into. All "9386" style sockets that I have seen so far always use a third bayonet for the back catch and the square hole for the front catch.

The squared sausage key is used and mica is under the center contact on all Fourth Generation A versions.

The Fourth Generation version B socket arrives with the 1913/1914 G.E catalog below









THE GECO FOURTH GENERATION VERSION B AND AFTER....

Many things changed with the coming of the G.E. 1913/1914 catalog.
Shells are now 68mm in size, socket keys no longer use the sausage logos, mica is no longer used, the center contact changes to the new design (shown below).

I will not go much farther then this catalog and point, as within another year the only change to these sockets worth bringing up is the UNO threading on the socket tubes (which replaced the shade holder RIB).

Note worthy is that the keys changed once again in the 1913 catalog. Only a few pictures in the catalog had not yet been updated, and the socket for long keys in the 1913 catalog had been drastically blanked out as shown in the catalog pictures below.






The long key socket option was the only key through the years that did not change with the GECO trademark changes. It remained the same "EDISON PATENTS" stamped on the key since it was offered until now.
Comparing the catalog pictures below, it is clear that a new drawing of the socket had not yet been completed in time for the printing of the new catalog, so they simply blanked out the wording "EDISON PATENTS".








By 1913 the sockets now had a new center contact, and the mica under the center contact was no longer used.


Now that you have got this far:
The Simple GECO Quiz

OTHER G.E.Co SOCKETS OF INTEREST



Keeping in mind that we I have covered mostly only the basic GECO socket, there were still other G.E. sockets of different types and configurations. The Marine socket stayed the same for many years having different electrical codes for Marine, it did not require as many changes. The marine socket shell only measures 44mm from the socket cap to the bottom of the shell. The complete socket put together from the top of the cap to the bottom spring measures 51mm much shorter then the ultra short GECO.

The fibre insulator (shown on your right) for the Marine shell is of a different shape and style from the standard GECO insulator rings.

Other type sockets also used different shaped insulators, such as the sockets sold for use with collars (G.E. gave the choice of porcelain or hard rubber on these socket collars).

The collar sleeve is more well known because the socket was used widely for Tiffany lamps.

GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY HISTORY AND OLDER SOCKETS

This page has covered the GECO Fatboy socket in great detail, however, there were other "G.E." sockets before the fatboy and some other style G.E. sockets sold at the same time as the fatboy.

The time table for G.E. started in 1892 when the company was formed.
Prior to 1892, Edison had merged all of his electrical companies together in 1889 to one company named the "Edison General Electric Company". Along with this large merger came the possibility of a loss of control. Without his knowledge at the time, another merger took place in which the "General Electric Company" was formed in 1892. G.E. now owned all of Edison's lighting and electrical patents as well as rights to his name. (see the section below called "General Electric Company History" for more detail)

Most of the sockets offered just prior to the fatboy sockets were a progression of the Edison-Bergmann socket line, which were sold by Edison's earlier company called the "Edison General Electric Company". The first real "G.E." socket was the one shown below in both key and keyless versions.




These two sockets (above) are shown in the 1894 General Electric Catalog (shown on the right). The other two sockets shown in the catalog are the acorn socket, (which was a progression of the Edison-Bergmann invention) and the Push-Pull socket (which was also an Edison-Bergmann design). I will cover these two Bergmann designs at the bottom of this section.

This new G.E. design was the first G.E. socket and the first socket to ever display the GECO trademark sausage like key logo. This logo used the sausage, but the sausage was much smaller and the font crowded the inside to the point that it filled it entirely. It is not hard to see the difference when comparing the 1894 sausage to the 1895 versions that were used on the fatboy sockets as shown on your right.

Another difference in this early socket is that it used a collar at the bottom of the socket tube like the early Edison-Bergmann sockets had.



The cap did not have screws through the sides, it had posts that were permanently attached.




The posts would fit into a groove on the porcelain.

When the cap was twisted, the posts would fit snugly under a porcelain cut-out and hold the socket in place when the collar was screwed on tightly.



The center contact shown above on your right, was the one used on this socket, but later updated (likely late 1894 or early 1895) to a new center contact which matched the first G.E. (porcelain gut) acorn socket. The Edison threads also used the two slits which was an 1890 patent not found on this shell. The slits patent was applied for in 1889 and was an Edison invention that was used to help hold the light bulb in place. In 1892 G.E was selling all EGE (Edison General Electric) items (like the items shown on your right) with either the new General Electric name or Thomson-Houston patents marked on the shells. Older Bergmann and EGE items, were signed showing either the Bergmann & Co. or Edison General Electric Co. name on the shell (not acorn sockets which always remained unmarked until after 1899, when it became an N.E.C. rule that all socket shells must be marked with a name or trademark).


Fibre as a rule stopped being used on the insides of sockets by 1890, and by 1891 most all sockets were now using porcelain insides. The unmarked acorn shown on your left could had been a late EGE socket (1891) or an early G.E. acorn (1892) as it uses porcelain insides with an unknown center contact for EGE (as shown on your right. The same center contact with slightly different porcelain was used by G.E. later in their first true acorn design of their own.


By 1897 G.E. was no longer offering the push socket, and the new G.E. style acorn became a true unique G.E. design with a new shell and insides. On Jan. 11th 1897 G.E. released Bulletin No. 4089 which announced the new G.E. socket line. The picture shown on your left is the new acorn socket shown in the bulletin. You will notice that it now uses a standard looking cap as also the real acorn which is shown in the picture on your right. The size of the new acorn was also now much smaller in that the new cap would actually fit inside one of the older acorn caps if you were to lay it inside as shown on your right below.


As you can see from the picture on your right, the porcelain and center contact was close to the design of the 1891 acorn that was shown above.




The Tournier GECO Fatboy Patent

At the same time in 1897 that these sockets were released, the bulletin also announced the 1895 GECO fatboy socket (since the bulletin showed the complete G.E. line up of sockets together for the first time).

It is also note worthy that the "fatboy style" that virtually every manufacturer started using (even to this day), was a unique invention of G.E. as shown with every detail intact in their patent. (today commonly known as the "TOURNIER" fatboy patent).

The patent (No. 559232) states that it was applied for on March 25th, 1896 and approved April 18th 1896 which is less then 30 days for approval. I have never seen any other patent approved so fast. Most patents take one year from the date of application, but I have seen some approved a few months before the end of a year in rare cases. This patent date I believe to be in error by the patent office, possibly because Tournier signed it with the wrong date and it went un noticed. It is also possible that there was an earlier filing date, but because of some kind of error at the patent office, (maybe a lost application) G.E. was allowed to make a new application and then it was quickly passed through.

Remember, the socket was first announced in the Electrical World magazine on February 23rd 1895, it would hardly make sense that they (after announcing it) are one year later filing for a patent for it. It would make much more sense that since it was announced in February of 1895, that they applied for patent in early February. Then one year later, (February of 1896) had not heard anything and put in an inquiry and had to re date their application March 25th, 1896 which is about the time that it would had taken to investigate things. Well, these are only my thoughts on the issue, and should not be taken as fact. But, if you have researched patents yourself, you already know that patents are never approved in less then 30 days like this one claims it was. Also a company such as G.E. would never announce a socket and then apply for patent for it a year later.

General Electric Company History

Most people when they think of General Electric, think of Edison.

While it is true that Edison was the father of incandescent lighting, the truth is that Edison himself did not have much if anything to do with the General Electric Company at all. In fact by the time that Edison's companies merged into the General Electric Company, he did not even know that it had happened until after it had taken place.

For years before the merger that created 'The General Electric Giant', Edison had been merging his companies and buying other electric companies. At the same time, two other companies namely Westinghouse and Thomson-Houston had also been buying up and merging their own companies. Up until the Edison General Electric merger in 1889, Edison had merged: the Edison Shafting Co. and Edison Tube Co. into Edison Machine Works; (about 1883) then about 1886 the Edison Machine Works, Bergmann & Co. and the Edison Lamp Co. into the Edison United MFG Co.; In 1889 he then merged the Edison United MFG. Co., Edison Electric Light Co., Canadian Edison MFG. Co., Edison Co. For Isolated Lighting, as well as two other companies that he had bought (Sprague Electric Railway & Motor Co. and Leonard & Izard Co.) into The Edison General Electric Company. These mergers had made the Edison General Electric Company a powerful and strong company by 1889.

Important to note is that during the same time that Edison had been merging and buying his companies, Thomson-Houston (president Charles Coffin a former shoe manufacturer with a unique and shrewd business outlook) was rapidly buying out competitors (or controlling interests in those companies) that had a foothold in the area of patents or production. It gets a bit more complicated, but just so that you understand how powerful they had become: The Thomson-Houston Electric Company was formed in 1883 from the merger of the Elihu Thomson's American Electric Company and the interests of Edwin Houston. In about 1884 they bought out the Consolidated electric Light Co. which had already owned the Eastern Electric MFG. Co., Sawyer-Man was bought but then sold to Westinghouse. For several years they continued buying and merging. By about 1890 they owned Elecro-Dyanmic Light Co., Van Depoele Electric MFG. Co., Fort Wayne Electric Light Co., Brush Electric Co. (which was created from a merger with the Telegraph Supply Co.), The Bentley-Knight Electric Railway Co., Schuyler Electric Co., Excelsior Electric Co., as well as the Thomson-Houston International Electrical Company.

By 1891 Thomson-Houston was already worth 10 million which was greater then the Edison companies. After the merger was complete in 1892, The new "General Electric Company" had a capitol stock of 35,000,000 which was distributed to the shareholders of the old Edison General Electric Company, as well as Thomson-Houston and others in exchange for their holdings. The Thomson-Houston side of the ownership was much greater then the side of the Edison interests, so control was on the Thomson-Houston side and Coffin took his place as the first president of General Electric which was now the largest Electric Company in the world.

Edison went on to other things as he still had many other inventions and companies, but the General Electric Company now owned the rights over the "Edison" name.

This is why Edison can be assumed and attributed to G.E. and their inventions even after 1892, but the truth is that Edison had little or nothing to do with lighting inventions after 1892.

Just some of his other inventions:
1891 Invented and patented the motion picture camera
1891-1900 Developed his great iron ore enterprise
1900 - 1910 Invented alkaline storage battery - A commercial success
1900 -1909 Established his once famous Portland Cement Co.
1907, He introduced the first concrete mold for making one-piece houses
1902-1903 Worked on improving the Edison Primary Battery
1905 Introduced a revolutionary new type of dictating machine
1907 Introduced the Universal Electric Motor
1910-1914 Worked on - and much improved - the disc phonograph
1912 Introduced the Kinetophone or talking motion picture
1913 Introduced an automatic correction device for the dictating machine
1914 Invented the Telescribe, combining the telephone and the dictating phonograph (the recording of both sides of a telephone conversation)


For more information about Edison's inventions and other companies, see http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bledison.htm

Edison Patents: 147 patents for batteries, 49 patents for cement, 424 patents for electric light and power, 53 patents for mining and milling, 9 patents for motion pictures, 186 patents for telegraphy and telephone, 199 patents for phonograph and sound recording, 50 miscellany patents.

For older sockets and information, see items such as Bergmann and Edison General Electric which are basically REAL "Edison" sockets and items that predate the "General Electric Company" items.

If you would like to learn about other makers sockets such as Bergmann, Brush, Bryant, Crown, EE&S, Holmes & Gale, Perkins, Thomson-Houston and Westinghouse, you can click on the the provided links.

Also more about Edison and Bergmann History and items HERE...






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